Hi from the Netherlands!

Llewella
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Hi!

I'm Judith, a 32 y/o mom from the netherlands.

It's just a couple of days ago since it was the first time I ever heard of bento; but I'm amazed and got very excited about it!

For our daughter was born I already was regulating my food pattern; I'm overweight since I was 6 y/o; and I'm raised along western ideas; and I'm really dutch; tall with a strong body; not really tiny.
So I'm learning a lot about eating habits; my own eating habits and our cultural eating habits; and it is a struggle to do things different; especially since I'm a mom. I nurse my girl still at 2,5 y/o; and we dont give her sweets; just home baked full wheat cookies without sugar. All things that are a bit weird over here, it is so normal to buy and eat lots of unhealthy foods. And I want to eat more healthy; taking better care for my body.
But I like to decorate too! I started baking birthday cakes about a year ago; for our birthdays and for friends and family. It is very time consuming, so I dont do it a lot, but I really like to decorate and making food more fun.

So eating healtier and decorating; yeah; I think Bento is really something I like!

I already lost an apetite for bread a few months ago; but I'm a bit of a worrier about salades and stuff without fridge, so I need to do more reading on that.

And my fiancé is underweight, so I think Bento can be better for him to; to adjust his lunches and portions.

Ohw and I like more japanes/asian stuff; anime's; cute/kawaii. And I have a larger collection of my little ponies; which dont get a lot attention anymore since my daughter is around. But with my daughter I share the love for Hello Kitty and Totoro (one of the first things I bought during my pregnancy was a Hello Kitty Diaper bag on ebay, and now Hello Kitty is selling good in the Netherlands).
I keep reptiles and I like to make things; sewing, knitting, crochet, drawing in my moleskine, and I'm a active member in the dutch babywearing and nursing community.

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bronwyncarlisle
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Hello Judth. Welcome to Just Bento. When you are worrying about the lack of refrigeration, just think of all those people who go for picnics every summer, and don't get sick!

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Loretta
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

I'm very happy to extend a warm welcome to a fellow nursing mother (I'm of the firm belief that by taking good care of ourselves we get to offer our children the ultimate bento - and for as long as they wish/we are able to, not some arbitrary date imposed on us by society).
The UK and the Netherlands aren't much different when it comes to easy availability of highly processed sugary and fried foods so I understand why you feel it is important to resist so many cultural pressures where you live - goodness knows I do!

My own daughter (16 months) adores nori seaweed and one of her favourite finger foods are makizushi rolls (I make these extra skinny and keep them long so that she can grab one and feed herself with them in a series of bites)
The basics for makizushi are described in these directions for the easier to make temaki zushi http://www.justhungry.com/2003/12/handrolled_sush.html
You can use brown rice and the rice doesn't have to be seasoned with sugar and salt, I just try and make the fillings extra tasty.

Llewella
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

@ Loretta, yes; it's not easy to choose different when your enviroment has other standards. The netherlands is a very western europe country; almost to american standards if it comes to food and such.

I also raise my daughter along the attachement parenting way, just common sense and looking to our natural behaviour. And also with food I try to learn about our natural needs; but that is not easy since we have chanced a lot and have possibly different needs now (I have a desk job 2 days a week, so not a lot of excercise then).

Kyandasu
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Welcome to Just Bento! Bento definitely sounds like the thing for you. :) I'm sure you and your little girl will love the benefits and enjoyment it brings. What kind of anime do you like? I also really love Totoro!

Also, just out of curiosity, are the significant health benefits to breast feeding your child for that long? I know that in Japan, kids used to breast feed for a while. I figure it's probably a good idea to give your child that nutrient rich milk for as many years as possible, and it's probably fallen out of practice due to vanity or privacy issues. But I was wondering if you knew of some research that confirms that it's a good idea...

Anyway, welcome!

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Llewella
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Kyandasu: I dont know really any good sources of research in english; but I read a lot about it.
WHO (World health organisation) advices first 6 months of exclusive breastfeeding and 2 years breastfeeding or as long as mother and child like.
Health benefits: At toddler age the antibodies increase in the mothers milk; A toddler comes in contact with more things in the world; that can cause disease; so that's a natural protection through the milk. So there is a benefit by nursing at toddlers age.
Breastfeeding is not only nutrional feeding, but also emotional and psychological. Certainly a toddler who explores his new surroundings can get overstrung(?) by all new discoveries and excitement. It can start soothing itself (thumbsucking, staring, pacifier); or gets tantrums; emotional; or even hyperactive. I want to be a safe haven for my daughter; she is still so little, so I want to be there for here; and nursing is the ulltimate way to overcome to much stimulation from the surroundings and new discoveries.
Recently I read something about a dutch woman who started living in indonesia; that they nurse there then we do here; but that the 'terrible two's' dont seem to excist over there. it makes sense to me.
There is a lot to read and learn on breastfeeding; over here we dont have the knowledge anymore about breastfeeding; it's almost lost. Because the advices we get over here from doctors; can be the opposed of what is needed (breastfeeding isnt anything mechanic, but an emotional and sensitive thing which cant be forced; stress and feeding in a timeschedule arent a good idea).

Anime's I like: as a kid I loved candy candy. But now I like little snow fairy sugar; paradise kiss; rozen maiden; howl;s moving castle; totoro.

Loretta
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

My own views/instincts about breastfeeding do seem very similar to Llewella’s. There is so much conflicting advice when you begin a family that you eventually learn to take no notice of any of it.

My husband is Japanese, so co-sleeping seemed very natural to him and we love being together as a family this way.
It’s hard to know what to believe in regards to nutrition but I am convinced that fresh milk from me is better tailored to a rapidly growing toddler than pasteurised, homogenised milk stored in cheap plastic from another species of mammal. More than that, there’s the look of glee and delight in her anticipation of every one of her feeds from me. When your child gasps and squeals with joy and relishes something that you can give them so very much, why deprive them unnecessarily? As Llewella says, there’s so much more to this than our current understanding of nutrition and corrupted scientific data filtered through the prejudices of Health Professionals and the Media.

I have no idea whether what I am doing is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. I do know that at some point I will need to answer to my child about the decisions I make. All I can do is keep her involved in as many of those decisions as I can and try my best to respond to her requests. One thing my own child is very, very clear about is that she wants breastmilk. It seems unlikely that this will change over the course of the coming year.

Before I had a baby I’d assumed I would be done with breastfeeding before the child was two years old. I don’t hold those kind of assumptions any more.

Llewella
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

I didnt even know that breastfeeding after 1 year was even possible/a option. Never heard of it before I became a mom myself. It is uncommon over here, let alone over 2 years.
We do co-sleep too. On a dutch attachement parenting site there is written about how they co-sleep in japan; http://www.natuurlijkouderschap.org/samen-slapen-in-japan-en-de-vs (< it is in dutch, but maybe you can read it with a translator site).

Loretta
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Thanks, Judith.
The article it was based on is still available in English.
http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/153/4/339?maxtoshow=&hits=...

Some interesting insights for me on American culture (particularly about the lack of contact in all but 11% of co-sleeping American families).

bronwyncarlisle
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Interesting.
In New Zealand it is traditional in Maori families for babies to sleep with their parents, and it's correlated with a high incidence of SIDS (cot death). Research is being done to develop some sort of culturally acceptable co-sleeping arrangement that will protect from this. In the mean time families are encouraged to have the babies sleep in a separate cot, although still in the parents' bedroom. I must say that's what I did, although my son generally went to sleep in my arms before I put him in his own little cot.

Loretta
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Figuring out the UK statistics for this subject and what they mean is extremely difficult. The problem here is that the exact conditions that lead to SIDS aren’t always recorded, so the figures that cover a parent who falls asleep on the sofa are included with those who sleep with their child in a bed. Obesity, alcohol, cigarettes and overtiredness all play their part too. The generalised blanket advice of don’t co-sleep – use a cot eliminates a lot of these risks so it remains the standard advice for nearly all new parents.
Unfortunately, this advice clashes heavily with how some of us breastfeed. I personally couldn’t imagine myself doing one without the other.
I must admit that I was extremely relieved once my daughter reached her first birthday. We can now co-sleep in peace without the spectre of SIDS breathing down our necks.

bronwyncarlisle
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

I know what you mean about being anxious in those first few weeks. Their breathing is so quiet! I used to hover over Jonathan's cot trying to see his little chest move because I didn't want to wake him up to make sure he was alive.

Llewella
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Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

I wanted to answer that too; about alcohol, smoking, medicine, coffee and such.
I dont drink coffee, alcohol, dont need medicine. Only thing is that I'm overweight, but healthy.

A breastfeeding mom should also be extra alert/bonded to her child to be awake enough.

The first weeks or months I was a little bit anxious; and hyper-alert (couldnt sleep the first weeks, my daughter slept very well, but I was to alert and caring). But after that we didnt have any problems with cosleeping.

We have a todddler bed next to our bed at my side, so our daughter can sleep in that, if she wants more room; but she can also sleep next to me. She also have her own bedroom with a bed; but here they come check while beging pregnant if you have everything that is needed, and if the babyroom is ready so the baby can be born.
You need a babyroom in the netherlands ;) We use it (to change, and sometimes she sleeps in it), but it isnt really necessary for us.

Sheba
Re: Hi from the Netherlands!

Hiya, just wanted to ask if you could find bento supplies/tools here in the netherlands somewhere? thnks.

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