Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

thebiganimefan
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I needed someone's opinion. Should I get a Harajuku or a lolita costume?!!
Go to party city dot com and click see all teens they are on the 3rd or 4th page next to each other! Thanks in advance!!!!!!

P.S-It's Japanese right?^^'

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...
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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
I'm actually like leaving right now for the store!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

hold on hold on! Please realise that this was a comment, NOT a recommendation!

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

I wouldn't buy a lolita costume. Mostly because it's a costume, and not nearly "real" lolita (and real lolitas DO hate that. I know it pretty well... lots of lolita friends, lol). Besides, it will be extremely expensive.
You can buy cheap clothes at your favorite store and arrange them like in lolita style: look for a cute summer bulky skirt, a cute t-shirt and nice shoes and socks. I'd recommend to use a soft-pink and white combo.
That is called "casual lolita" and it's the only lolita style that doesn't seem ridiculous to me ^^

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Wow... it has been a while since I have been to a Spirit Store, I had not realized that they expanded the sexy kitten, sexy nurse, sexy witch, sexy etc. collection of years past.

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

Eh...what do you want the costume for? Party? Early Halloween planning? A date? An anime con? ^_^

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

well... no i was thinking in things like this (i can't see the first pic because I'm at work now):

http://theanimeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/3Catgirl-Lolitas.jpg

while a real lolita would wear something like this: http://log.tenshi-dream.net/pics/btssb.jpg (edit: now I saw the pic Loretta posted. That are actually real lolita clothes, not costumes ^^U)

I know I'm very picky with this... too many lolita friends!! LOL! :D

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

Jiza
I'm guessing you have this in mind when you think of a "Lolita" costume:
http://img.zoome.jp/mov7/circle/6aee/504_1426_i1_1.jpg

thebiganime fan was asking about the costume here:
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs40/300W/i/2009/033/1/3/Lovely_Lolita_Adult_...

Which is this North American lady's interpretation of the term
http://dedredhed.deviantart.com/
She describes herself as Senior Designer at a Halloween costume company.

Wearing the costume for Halloween is fine, but be aware that the 'kimono' that wraps around the chest is the wrong way around. In Japan one would only dress the dead in this way.
(When wearing Japanese clothes, left side should ALWAYS wrap over the right.)

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oh yes, that "Lolita" costume on that partycity site is all wrong, from a purely Japanese point of view. It's some sort of throwback to the Oriental Dragon Lady Madame Butterfly Geisha Massage Parlor stereotype. I would go more for the Harajuku one, simply because as far as I'm concerned Harajuku Girl has been bastardized by Gwen Stefani anyway. ^_^ (not that I'm interested in any way about the purity of cosplay fashions, mind you) The Lolita look that Jiza linked to is more the thing, but in the US it might be misinterpreted as something else.

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I agree...
If it was me going to an event I'd try a casual lolita look ( http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp252/shellyzr/casual.jpg ) or karajuku... ( http://www.japaneselifestyle.com.au/japan_picture/albums/upload/tokyo/ha... ), both are much easier than the real lolita thing.

I actually like the casual lolita look. I find it elegant in a twisted way :D

anyway you can take a look on the pics of this blog to get ideas :D http://www.campuseras.com/blog/493/
I wouldn't recommend the erololi look. The line that divides the "twisted sexy cutie" from the "undressed harlott" is very, very thin.

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

Friends masquerade party...:P

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

I lied more of a costume party

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

P.S- I really like the real lolita dresses but my mom said no one is going to know what I am, so I have to go for something like the "wa-loli" look because it looks more like a kimono I guess...

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

biganimefan, I guess what we are saying is that the 'Lolita' look on that party outfit site doesn't look anything like 'real' lolita, but it doesn't look anything at all like a real Japanese kimono either. It's like a really bad stereotype of 'exotic Oriental lady at dodgy massage parlor who may have sex with you', to put it bluntly ^_^; I am not sure how old you are, but from a Japanese person's point of view that look is really...not good. If I had a daughter I would not let her dress like that. The other Harajuku Girl look to me is better, though not perhaps as stereotypically "Wapanese".

But eh...I dunno, at a party in the States it may not matter that much....

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

What Maki has said about the perception of gaudy Japonesque "massage parlour" costumes was echoed in the blog I liked to in my first post where they were likened to "female wrestler robes".

Either choice is fine for a party, but neither represent anything 'real' in relation to Japan. I think I once saw a "wa-loli' costume in a store front that only does fancy dress costumes in Shinjuku but it's not a look that's seen much if at all on the streets of Shibuya, Harajuku or Akihabara.
The Lolita look is a very loose Japanese interpretation of a Western look. And (outside of cosplay - like 'Scarlet Claw' from the Cutie Honey movie) the Wa-Loli look is a very loose Western interpretation of a very loose Japanese interpretation of a Western look.

You're young, thebiganimefan, you should be fearless and wear anything you want to. My message is to enjoy wearing a dress or costume on your own terms. If you want your dress to be authentic and to conform to the codes relating to that dress and its culture, then that is marvellous! You'll find lots of people who are willing to help and guide you and, as a bonus, you'll educate yourself about facets of that culture.
If you want to throw those codes out of the window and dress however you choose, then that's great too. But it's best not to ask for approval for this, just go with your gut instinct and look as spectacular as you can.
What nobody can do here is agree with your original statement:
"P.S-It's Japanese right?"
Neither of those costume options are.

But I did see this version (which, considering who is wearing it, I would NOT call "Loli" or "Lolita") and thought that, for a themed party, it was adorable. So perhaps I would be OK with my own daughter wearing a related look :D
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iOqxg1KVByo/R0V8z285FaI/AAAAAAAAAAY/xbPZBIdSMp...

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I should clarify, and I do hope I’m not getting too heavy on you here biganimefan, that as a Japanese female person the Wa-Loli look is just too close to the stereotypes of Asian/Japanese females that I’ve had to live with most of my adult life. And to me personally (which doesn’t mean anything really except to me) it borders on the unacceptable. But that doesn’t mean you’ll get rave reviews for it at the party. As Loretta said you should do as you like, and enjoy it, but it’s not at all Japanese except in the vaguest way.

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

I do like wa-loli and qi-loli looks but i see them more like a costume. And to me (and I'm not japanese at all!) it smells a little like japanese-chinese-stereotype. I find it cute, though.

But both Maki and Loretta are right, do what you want, no matter what the rest think!!! :D

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O_O That's so f*cking cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :3

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

What nobody can do here is agree with your original statement:
"P.S-It's Japanese right?"
Sorry i was just thinking how it's generally like a kimono ( sorta, kinda...) and it sounded kind of silly asking a totally off topic question here. It was a stretch, yes, but I'm sorry to say that this a 'closed topic' (but feel free to comment though, it's neat to hear all of your opinions!!) my friend and i decided on a group costume ( the ones when you have to have more than one person in order for it to make sense) I really apologize, because I know you guys put some thought and time into your comments :(

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

P.S (again...) trust me none of the people going would be the least bit confused if I wore the purple "kimono". It's not like they know what the poofy-skirted, adorably cute dress would be anyway...

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Re: Gomen, Gomen, but this has nothing to do with bento...

I know this is closed, but I rather like the thing that Jiza posted - the girl with the pink beret and jacket and cute black and white skirt. I can imagine a girl wearing that and not getting the 'wrong' sort of attention from us males. Not JUST the wrong sort of attention, anyway!

I'm not personally keen on kimono costumes, pretty much for the reasons Maki outlined - they seem to reflect the (post World War II?) idea that geisha were prostitutes. Or the costumes just otherwise look cheap and nasty. Kimono should be something beautiful and perfect, not a stereotype-reflecting polyester travesty.

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